jim from michigan on our line for democrats. how are you? caller: i am great. how are you. host: where is your city? caller: it is near south bend, indiana near where notre dame is. i have a comment on your previous caller first. one of the impressions one could get with the way he talked to obama is like our spending started with obama -- out of control spending. that was in place with bush. obama inherited it. with our wars in iraq and afghanistan. i am believe that it seems like we have notes choice but to let the fiscal cliff happen because there is no way that we have no choice but to let the fiscal cliff -- there is no way but to let the fiscal cliff happen. guest: that is a popular notion, particularly among republicans. they are not liking the defense cuts. there is a growing sentiment among some of them that if you go over the cliff, you will get actual real $2 dollars in spending cuts. some of them are eager about that. it is not necessarily public thing right now. they are talking to each other and saying, is this the worst thing if we go over this? democrats on